so i do worry, this is going to cause a lot of harm to people. >> i think you are saying, no, women are not safe. women are not safe in the state where someone with your medical knowledge is not there anymore. with a cannot be treated by someone with your knowledge, and where ob/gyn's are leaving. are women safe in a state with a just cannot get ob/gyn care? >> absolutely, this is creating these maternity care deserts. idaho, we are already there. it is worsening. especially in more rural states, there is a safety net of subspecialist. different providers. and when you start moving pieces of that safety net, things start to fall apart. absolutely, this is dangerous. >> dr. kylie cooper, thank you so much. this is tonight's the reidout. follow our shows account on

instagram and tiktok. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in with chris hayes. brand-new indictments in arizona. 18 people charged in a fraudulent scheme to steal the election, including for collectors and donald trump is named as unindicted co- conspirator. event, -- sitting tight in new york, as the high court awaits. >> you have to leave community with a president. >> the president of the united states has to have immunity. will donald trump face trial for his attempted coup? and what is at stake for the supreme court? >> hopefully the republican justices we has and judges we have, will make correct decisions. plus, today's supreme court hearing on abortion-rights and post-roe america. >> i was the one that brought

up the conversation of, what are my options? they said, because we are in idaho, there aren't any for you. campus protest over israel and gaza grow, the president signs foreign assistance into law. >> history will remember this time. history will remember this moment. all in starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we have breaking news out of the state of arizona, where attorney general kris mayes just announced a grand jury in arizona have returned indictments in the investigation into the fake collector scheme in that state to steal the 2020 election. you will remember that was the plot devised by allies of donald trump to send false certificates to the national archives, claiming that donald trump won the state's electoral vote, rather than joe biden. this played out in seven battleground states with the intent to sow chaos and

confusion at the certification of the electoral votes, which was to take place on january 6th. arizona attorney general mays has been investigating the steam since shortly after -- scheme, since shortly after she took office. >> we are here because justice demands answered to the -- defendant and other unindicted co-conspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizona voters during the 2020 election. whatever the reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for, i was elected to uphold the law of this state. >> 18 people are listed in the indictment. only 11 defendants are unredacted. those include former arizona republican party chair -- kelly ward, as well as her husband, michael ward. as well is jake hoffman and anthony curran. all 11 that are named in the

indictment are unredacted, serve as false electives, the people that signed and certified the bogus document sent to the national archive. are seven additional defendants who have not yet been served, their names are redacted. the washington port status post report they are mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jen alice, john eastman and christina bob. boris epstein and -- mike roman. the defendants are charged with conspiracy, fraud and forgery, all felonies. for scheming to prevent the lawful transfer of the president keep unindicted co-conspirator one in office against the will of arizona voters. unindicted co-conspirator one, is donald trump. all of this comes as trump already faces 88 criminal charges across four jurisdictions. he is currently on trial in new york facing 34 charges related to election interference and

business record fried. tomorrow morning, the supreme court will be hearing arguments in his immunity case, were trunk claims he cannot be prosecuted by special counsel jack smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> it is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. folks should understand in the state of arizona, it was a republican -- who was the attorney general in the two years following the 2020 election. chris mays did not come into the position until winning the

crucial november election in 2022. that is what led to the investigation. over the course of the year, this was a sprawling investigation that led to not only the 11 fake electors being indicted, but also the seven other individual year. if we look at the 11 individuals, i think number one, when you look from an arizona perspective, there was not much effort to hide what they were doing. they literally videoed on december 14th and then convened at the arizona gop headquarters in central phoenix signing this for -- certificate and sending it to congress to hopefully be counted via mike pence on january 6th. these 11 individuals include -- ward, her husband. and when i talk about not hiding this, on december 14th, michael ward, one of the fake electors, posted a photo on twitter of his wife taking a phone call. and him putting in the caption,

another call tonight from potus. cannot say exactly what we talked about. he told us to keep the pressure on -- six. this was a transparent effort that was playing out for the public. tyler --, the rnc committeeman from the state of arizona, the chief operating officer of turning point usa, -- you look get two arizona legislators, a former senate candidate, among the list of 11. but that you have rudy giuliani, directly cited as convening a group to try to pressure the state legislature to overturn the election results -- of course, also notably, you have christina bob, boris epstein. this gets at the heart of the conspiracy that chris mayes lays out over the course of these -- this 57 page indictment. >> we will dig into these charges.

the notion that the fake collector scheme itself was a criminal enterprise is reflected in the ricoh indictment in georgia were fake electors are also out of that criminal indictment. and an investigation ongoing in michigan, as well, were some of those fake electors have been charged. arizona joins a number of states where the fake collector plot was being pulled off. after some investigation, grand jury concluded there is probable cause -- clause to indict for a crime with respect to their activities. >> absolutely. at the heart of this indictment, john eastman, allegedly calls rusty bowers, the republican speaker of the house. and after doug ducey had already certified the result , folks may recall, the day the governor of arizona signed it, he'll to the chief played on his phone. we in the press knew that doug ducey made that the ring tone

for donald trump. as he was certifying the election results, donald trump was calling him in real time and he put him on mute. after that, we know the fact that john eastman placed a phone call to rusty bowers, the speaker of the house, urging him to serve -- decertify arizona's election results and send this -- fake slate of electors to the celtic. and let the courts handle the rest from there. >> rusty bowers, if we can show his picture again. he provided some of the most -- he was one of the people who testify publicly during the hearing. stallworth conservative, lifelong republican. very religious and devout mormon. he talked about the insane pressure to do something he said was flatly illegal, to basically have the state legislature vote to send the trump electors, rather than the

bible electors, -- of the charges here, therefore count. conspiracy is the first. count two is fraudulent schemes and artifices. count three is fraudulent schemes and practices. count four through nine are forgery. the last count, -- accounts, these individuals attested to something in a document we have access to the faith sent to the national archives that was simply not true. they said we are the duly appointed electors -- and signed her name to it. >> they signed their names to it and sent it to congress and the national archive. you can go in google it. anyone at home can google it. -- this is, i think with this comes into play, the extent to

which this even extends, chris, beyond the explicit acts of november, december and january of 2020. -- -- ward stayed on as the gop chairwoman for year after this. tyler --, one of the indicted individuals is still to this day currently rnc committeeman. two people are still state legislators. in 2021, the cyber ninjas, kelly ward was at the forefront. i spent days at the foreground over the course of months, ballots were being -- called. kelli ward was there. anthony -- was a volunteer for the forensic audit. and of course, they do not get into this in the indictment. it because of the length of the investigation that hits at the particular crimes here.

christina -- is another name i would know. just last month was brought onto a formal role for this current election cycle i the rnc trump campaign operations to be a part of their senior counsel for election integrity. the folks we are seeing the name of, at the heart of chris mayes's statements. in order to send a clear message about how election should not be tempered with -- it's for the purpose of future election. so many individuals are at the heart of the beating drum of how arizona elections are being run currently. >> we should note the arizona election 2024 -- carry lake is the republican nominee, or she is running for senate to fill the spot being vacated by kyrsten sinema. she still says the election was stolen. she says her own defeat in 2022 was also stolen. she has been sued for libel by

the chair of the maricopa county board of election, she has basically agreed to not contest that. there is adjudication of the penalty. this is within the republican party. some of whose officials are named in this indictment. just handed down about. -- hour ago. thank you, that was great. mary mccourt spent several years -- he litigated the case against the wisconsin fake electors. currently co-host the webby award podcast -- tom joslin was a senior staffer on the jetway six committee. and they both join me now. mary, i think you all had a little time to look over this indictment. your thoughts on what you read. >> it is very familiar conspiracy to meet. like you mentioned, having been

part of a team of lawyers that litigated against the wisconsin fraudulent electors and two truck attorneys. one of the things i was looking for in there, case resolved with the settlement which included permanent injunctive relief. the electors are never to do this again. attorneys are to never help them do it again. it also resulted in the release of some 15 or 1600 email and text messages that show the genesis of the scheme. what i saw in this arizona indictment is a lot of the things i saw in the text messages. this scheme was concocted in wisconsin by trump campaign attorney jim troup is -- and his friend, attorney kenneth chesebro. he has pleaded guilty in georgia, who is unindicted: spirit or number four in this arizona indictment -- he is the one that came up with the idea. he had the beginnings of the idea five days after the election. his first email to mr. troopers

-- say, what about if an alternate slate of electors shows up on january 6, throwing things into chaos. and left the state legislators decide. or we can throw such things into chaos that the vote would go to the house. what that means is, the vote by the house, with there is no winner, it means every state it's wonderful. it's not -- at that time, it was the 26 state majority. that would mean the election went to trial. when i signed this indictment was the communications after mr. -- sent the memos up to the white house. that is reflected in this indictment. boris epstein said, can you replicate this in the other states. that is what set attorney kenneth chesebro off. unindicted co-conspirator number four. -- to work with people like

kelli ward . to make this happen. >> tom, when you work on the january 6th committee and help draft the final report, did you think there would be downstream effects of state criminal investigations happening after your committees work? >> i think there should have been the downstream effects. the bottom line is, this is conspiracy that cut across seven states. trump and the co-conspirators tried to nullify -- because they lost the popular vote in those states. this is now the third state where they brought criminal charges against the co- conspirators. although, not trump himself. when i read the indictment, it reads like a middle-of-the-road indictment. in georgia, you have the conspiracy case, where trump is charged in georgia. in michigan, you have the charges up against just the fake electors but no can -- co-

conspirators. now you have the fake electors charge plus the co-conspirators on top of them in arizona. including a number of people who let them down this false path. except for attorney kenneth chesebro, he is conspicuously not indicted. yet his memos laid the groundwork for the fake electors scheme. one of the things i learned is how much evidence attorney kenneth chesebro was able to hide from us. they had a december 6 memo where he said the intent of the fake electors had nothing to do with being contingent on election litigation outcomes or state legislatures are flipping the vote. -- he was basically there to gum up the -- i think this is necessary for the type of criminal accountability in arizona and other states will hopefully follows. >> if folks do not remember,

there are different incarnations of the fake electors scheme. the first of which, i think you can characterize as an extremely aggressive, but arguably defensible legal posture to retain the possibility of a donald trump victory if fraud was found in litigation proved effective. the second version was purely a bad-faith cynical and to rise to essentially defraud people and create this sort of screwed up situation. >> if i can interject, the bottom line is, if you go to the evidence, the truth is the first option was off the table by the time the fake electors met. the document -- it was clearly aimed at delaying or obstructing the certification of joe biden victory. this is important. you can see this in the indictment, some of the defendant lied and said, we just voted in case election

litigation flipped arizona. some of the fake electors might have leave that. the problem is, we know the people pulling the strings did not believe that. that is why the indictment in arizona is so important. they are going after some of the puppet masters. >> as we rotate -- rotate of the meeting. kelli ward is seated at the chair position. again, this was all public. it's remarkable how much evidence that is public. you have samuel moorehead, writing, we need to take action about the 2020 election. -- i would hate to go to my grave knowing the electoral vote i cast with not counted. they were doing this in public. to your point, mary, -- one of the things on page 29 is, in an

email to the tea party phoenix metro -- "by the way, if the electoral college did not result in 270 electoral votes for either presidential candidate, the 12th amendment is exercised. guess what, trump wins because the count did not go the way the democrats were hoping. --" this is all laid out. they were not that surreptitious about this entire enterprise. that is not always the case with most criminal conspiracies, this one, it is fairly public. >> yes, like tom said, i think it is possible some of the fake electors in different states at first really didn't think there was some legal authority. they had lawyers telling them to do this. and there was some legal authority. it is clear when you see the documents -- the puppet masters,

or the marionette string pullers, they all along, and it is clear in the documentation, they knew this scheme with a scheme to throw things into chaos. to support putting pressure on state legislatures, to reconvene and send up a state -- slate of electors. which itself would've been subject to legal challenge. or to pressure mike pence the county's illegitimate votes. and worse comes to worse, throw things to the 12th amendment. i will say, even with the fraudulent electors, even if some of them might've thought, maybe this is a legit scheme. as tom said, i the time they voted, -- even after that, in wisconsin, we had someone from the republican party flying out to d.c. on january 5th to try to make sure the fraudulent slate got to mike pence. in one of her text, she said, i

feel like a drug dealer. >> wasn't that also were someone past the list to ron johnson to get to mike pence? and he was the one carrying it? he was like, someone gave me something. i do not really know. someone gives you a ziploc bag, you carry it over. can i just say this, tom, the other thing that strikes me. to questions. one is, i believe of the seven states, new mexico is one of them. i think in two of the states, the language of the thing they certified had a legal hedge where they said nothing like -- if the litigation proved successful -- in the other one, there is no hedge. if the fraudulent certification saying, we are the proper electors. >> that is right.

five of the seven dates had no contingency language. arizona was one. subsequently, there was a text exchange from some conspirators, including mike roman. roman, i believe is indicted. and attorney kenneth chesebro, unindicted. they are saying, should we include the language that basically is a hedge on the fake electoral certificate. mike roman says, f these people. if we do, maybe people will question what they are doing. that is what i mean by puppet masters. some of these guys knew exactly what they were doing. this is not to absolve some of the fake electors. some of them probably knew what they were doing. the bottom line is, in the trump campaign, the co- conspirators around trump and trump himself knew they were crossing all sorts legal boundaries. they were very cavalier in doing so create they did not care about people downstream willing to do the bidding for

them. that is a part of the story as well. >> i want you to stay with me. i will bring in -- i have managed to physically conjure him. one thing i wanted to talk to you about, we have these redactions. we have the 11 names. we are using the washington post reporting. they mention giuliani, mike meadows -- there the first time for everyone. -- i think because of the way trump operates and so much of a sense -- and will he ever face accountability. you could glide past the seriousness in terms of legal peril, financial train -- rain. financial strain. it is not good to have multiple venues for all of these people.

>> john eastman, attorney kenneth chesebro, mark meadows, it is not simply that they are in great peril, they imperil trump. they are people who can cooperate and really do not have that many options are that much money. here is a whole new one, these are felonies in arizona. we are talking very similar to fulton county with the same type of serious implications. >> attorney kenneth chesebro is unindicted as a co-conspirator . mary, where do you see a case like this going and the timeline developing? partly because of the strangeness in the timeline -- -- taking the time this is taking, the indictment being announced now. again, there is the strangeness to this whole thing. these crimes committed in 2020

are being tried now. in the new york case, though the 2016 actions. what do you see as a timeline for a case like this? >> it is complicated. because this is an election year. i do not know if some of these defendant were planning to try to be presidential electors again this year. i think this is the kind of case that is likely to result in several of the -- particularly the fake electors himself, probably making a plea agreement with the state. they will want to try to minimize their exposure to penalties. and the others who have names redacted, the bigger fish, that is a very different thing. they face -- everyone faces political ramifications. with their people much closer to donald trump.

as you indicated earlier, they could do him more damage. certainly, the state has probably tried already. we have people who probably have cooperated. like kenneth chesebro. that is why he is unindicted -- it was widely reported that he was talking to the arizona ag. i do not have personal knowledge, but that was reported in the press. i think that's one reason why you see in unindicted coke and ureter. and -- co-conspirator. that is a clue. there will be efforts by the state to see if they can get some of those other folks to cooperate. and then the timeline, in terms of getting to trial and getting through discovery and everything. i have no practice in arizona state court. i do not know if they have judges that move quickly. i think it would be quick to get a conspiracy of this magnitude to trial before the election. not that these people are up

for election. >> it seems unlikely to me that it would be before the election. i think the question a plea deal is interesting. i think boris epstein is not indicted. >> the electrodynamics is different from the seven who are the acolytes of trump. they are people who presumably want future in their individual states. therefore, they are not going to fall on their sword. the 11 are -- this threatens the up and all of arizona republican politics. that is a whole separate possibility. in terms of their peril, again, to the seven and eventually to trump -- the electors. it's the same in michigan, the same in fulton county, they pose special risks. they are not washington insiders. they want to be able to get on with their lives. >> one more question.

, her name jumps out to me. she was indicted in georgia, she pleaded guilty in georgia. she is the only person i've seen involve, as far as i can tell, who has expressed remorse. she expressed remorse when she entered her plea in georgia. remorse-ish. the bar is low. everyone else is like, bring it on, we will do it again. she would be another person i would imagine you would look for for cooperation or a plea? >> definitely. she has a gofundme site. that's a fair amount of money. some of those people do not have it. that brings up great pressure to cooperate. against the big seven, and even the day, unindicted co- conspirator number one. --

great to have you here. what is happening in arizona is of course not, as you know, the only legal issue involving donald trump. donald trump, tomorrow, will have two sets of lawyers in two different cities arguing on his behalf. he will once again spend the day in manhattan criminal work, which he thinks it's too cold. for day seven of his criminal trial on election interference and business fraud. at the same time the court is convening in manhattan, his other lawyers will be in washington, d.c. before the supreme court as a take up his novel, desperate, ludicrous. of presidential immunity. that is the idea he should not face trial over the january 6th charges. because presidents have absolute immunity from criminal charges for things we do while in office. trump himself likes to put it, even "advance the cross the

line". i guess many of you watching do not spend time going through trump's media post. -- he post how we much have dictator like immunity from all consequences. it is a real obsession. there is one metaphor he likes. "the president of the u.s. must have full immunity. you can't stop elyse from doing the job of strong and effective crime prevention because you want to guard against the occasional roach cop -- rogue cop --" the theme he comes back to again and again, he compares himself to a rogue cop. without complete immunity, no president can do his job. -- "without presidential immunity, it would be impossible for president to properly function, putting the u.s. in great and everlasting

danger." he really is upset with this. -- all of those are from the past four days. there are dozens of these. here is the thing. there is an angle that is not quote -- fully appreciated. problem because, who is reading truth social? what is not appreciated is the threat that is inherent to trump's argument. i want to be clear about what trump the same. what trump is saying is, -- if the supreme court does not grant him total immunity, and he is elected to a second term, he will order the doj to prosecute joe biden. that is what he is saying. " if you take away my presidential immunity, they take away crooked joe biden's presidential immunity." -- "remember, if i don't have

presidential immunity, that crooked joe biden doesn't have it either, and he was certainly be prosecuted for his many actual crimes." trump is campaigning on jamming up a baseless prosecution of joe biden. >> if i am not entitled to immunity as president, every other president would get that. crooked joe biden would not be able to be entitled to immunity. and when he left office, he would be, i assume, prosecuted. so if i don't have immunity, he does not have immunity. by the way, the statute of limitations goes back six years and sometimes more than that. >> what is he talking about in the last part? i don't know. a crystal-clear reminder of what the states are hearing --

how the rule on the merits of trump ridiculous media claim, but also whether they will dither and a late as they have so far in the judge of ex- president to allow him to escape his reckoning. -- he submitted an amicus breach -- on behalf of former national security officials. the with me, harry lipman. richard, let me start with you. describe the argument in your amicus brief before the court on this issue. >> first of all, no president should be afraid of liability for crimes committed in office. joe biden did not commit any crime in office. -- that is ridiculous. secondly, the concern here is that it is extremely dangerous to have the president of the u.s. be immune from prison --

criminal prosecution but anyone else in the chain of command would be subject to prosecution for committing illegal acts. and also would be subject to a prosecution for refusing to follow orders. illegal orders, you would be prosecuted if you follow them. legal orders, you do not follow them, you be prosecuted for violating. this is why -- and i drafted the brief. signed by over a dozen formal admiral and other senior minute -- military officials explaining to the court how this concept of absolute immunity for the president of the u.s. would erode the military command. they would be no confidence throughout the command structure. no-confidence in the orders coming down from the white house . we simply cannot defend our country this way. this is extremely dangerous to have a president, once again, who could order the military to

commit crimes. president trump lawyers argued before the d.c. circuit -- to take out a political rival, he could not be prosecuted unless the house of representatives impeached him and two thirds of the senate convicted him. in other words, the sitting president can assassinate a rival with consent of one third of the senate. we cannot run a democracy this way. the court, i believe, will understand that. the justices do not want seal team six parked outside of the house every time they have a case involving the president of the united states. >> we should know, to your point, and obvious point i did not think of, the member of seal team six would be subject to criminal prosecution. because they would be committing a crime. -- it would only be the person that ordered that, the president, who would be insulated, which is ludicrous. are there things you are

looking for as we head -- aside from the threatening menace of trump office arguments, -- you are looking for in the arguments that will indicate which way things are going? >> remember, they took 13 days with some people thought there was a dissent -- to frame this question. this question is their own wording. -- what i will be looking for, right away, is whether the three justices on the right will be framing questions that have to do with facts, circumstances -- i think there is no way at the end of the day they will absolve him or give him immunity. but will the state an opinion that is broader than necessary, and requires a remand and another trip up and down the

court effectively preventing this case from going forward. as always with trump, timeline, merits. >> there is a way for them to basically, cutely, sort of sliced salami sin and say, no, there is no absolute immunity. but this four-part test that have to be produced -- and now back to you, to apply the test to the charges. and she would do that and it would be appealed -- and they would know exactly what they were doing. which is, you will definitely not face trial before the election. but be like, this is what we are faced with. >> they have not always had the view. trump versus addison, the rule before super tuesday. so far, they have the view, it is not our business to accelerate.

even if there is dissent of three or four, that could push until june. if the ultimate statement from the court, this is what i will be listing for tomorrow, has to do with some circumstances, not presented here, the bombing of an adversary -- never having opined on this issue, that is big trouble for the timeline. >> richard, as the author of one of amicus brief before the court, what are you looking for in tomorrow's arguments? >> the point that professional -- professor -- and i were making. -- you have to have the same standard of criminal liability for everyone up and down the chain of command. including the president of the u.s. you do not have a special role for the president, whether it is absolute immunity, -- or

qualified immunity. you simply cannot have that. the people in the military need to be able to depend on the orders coming from the president of the u.s. being legal. and being able to assume that they are legal. -- the idea that the president of the u.s. is immune from prosecution will erode the chain of command. imagine that seal team six or anyone is told to take out a building abroad and they think maybe the president's political rival is in the building, they are not sure, what will they do? will they disobey and risk court-martial? or go ahead and execute the order? the members of the military need to be able to rely on the president of the u.s. being bound by the law and being bound by the absolute same law they are bound by. the supreme court cannot fiddle around with this after around three or four part test and confuse everyone about this.

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senators tom cotton and josh holly have called for the national guard to coming. today, greg abbott sent in the department of public safety and the ut austin campus. not of this new for conservatives. cotton wanted the army to crush protests against police brutality in 2020. i have to say, as i have watched this new cycle about the campus protests unfold, something feels a little odd because the actual issues raised by the protests and protesters, which include the status of the hostages in gaza, israel's ongoing war in gaza, the 30,000+ deaths there, or how and when the war might be brought to a close, those all remain completely unresolved. it is 200 days today since october 7th. there's a lot actually happening on the ground. it is worth focusing there, where millions of lives hang in the

balance. israelis are observing the first passover holiday with more than 100 of their countrymen still held hostage in gaza over six months after they were taken in the hamas attacks of october 7th. one is hostages, israeli american hirsch goldberg: was seen in a video released by the military wing of hamas. nbc news generally doesn't show such videos. they are propaganda and because they may be made under duress, goldberg pollen's family have asked for the video to have a wide audience. as peace talks broke down, must that it could not release 40 living hostages, raising fears that fewer hostages are alive than previously hoped. the news comes while more than 100,000 israelis still have been unable to return to their homes since the attacks in october. this week, also, the united nations human rights office is calling for an independent investigation into two separate mass graves found at gaza hospitals after israeli forces withdrew from them. an nbc news crew witnessed hundreds of bodies being exhumed from one of those mass graves in the city of khan

younis. white house officials say there are indications that after president biden's testing conversation with israeli penn minister benjamin netanyahu, the flow of unitarian aid has increased to gaza but with an average of 200 trucks entering gaza a day to serve nearly 2 million people, a situation still remains dire. the u.s. special envoy in charge of humanitarian issues is taking the risk of famine is very high in northern gaza and there is still considerable work to be done. much of the work of israeli officials now revolve around a planned offensive in the city of rafah. everyone has been investigated from the northern parts of gaza. there is one point for , 1.4 million displaced gazans in the

city of rafah. satellite imagery has on the rapid construction of tent camps in the region, with israeli saying they will evacuate civilians to the camps as the offensive proceeds. the biden administration is warning israel that the operation could have apocalyptic repercussions for those already desperate refugees. it is not clear israel is listening. today, the same day president biden signed the $26 billion aid package for israel, about half of that for humanitarian aid in gaza, the israeli government diaspora affairs minister, the person in charge of the jewish diaspora outside israel, the majority of whom live in the u.s., said the u.s. was growing weaker hunter biden, adding, "if i were an american citizen with the right to vote, i would vote for trump and the republicans." which perhaps explained why republicans are suddenly so interested in a ceiling student protests against the war rather

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threat to her health but she isn't yet facing death, doctors either have to delay treatment and allow her condition to materially accumulate deteriorate or airlift her out of state so she can get to the emergency care she needs. one hospital system in idaho says it is having to transfer women in medical crisis out of the state once every other week. that is untenable. >> that is the situation in idaho, where pregnant people desperate in need of medical care are having to be evacuated to other states because their own state, idaho, prohibits doctors from performing abortions unless they are sure the mother would otherwise die. they threatened doctors with prison for violating that law. the idaho capitol sun reports it transports out of state for pregnancy complications and one of the states largest hospitals have increased from one in all of 2023 to 6 in the past four months. air transport, medevac, helicopter. the hospital's chief medical officer says if the pace continues, that number could be 20 patients before the year is

over. dr. derek has is an emergency medical physician in new york city and she joins me now. great to have you here. i want to set the context for the law that is at issue here, the law that requires, past the 1980s, it is very interesting, i hadn't known about it. >> you shouldn't. >> it is the federal law that says you can't get people out of the emergency room if you are getting federal medicare and medicaid. >> emergency medicine treatment and labor act set the standard that if you show up to an er, we would take care of you first and foremost, regardless of your ability to pay, regardless if we like you, regardless if you show up and didn't have any insurance, we would take care of you and stabilize you and then we would assigned do you need to be admitted or transferred. before that, people were being ignored at the front door, put back -- >> you don't have money. >> bleeding, they would be bleeding at the front door of the hospital. there is a we won't take care of you, we are going to let you go to a public hospital and we are going to put you back in

your car or wheel you down the block in a stretcher or wheelchair and they would be dying on the way. this federal statute said no, that is not going to happen anymore anywhere in the united states. the entire united states will be safe for emergency medical care and that is what is at stake right now. >> this is not just an issue in idaho. i want to read from the associated press reporting about this. this is emergency room to refuse to treat pregnant women, leaving want to miscarry in a lobby restaurant. one miscarried in a texas emergency room as a front desk staff refused to check her in. another woman learned her fetus had no heartbeat the day after a security guard turned her away from the facility. complaints pregnant women were turned away from u.s. emergency rooms spiked in 2022 after roe v. wade was overturned, federal documents by the ap revealed. how do you deal with this as an emergency room practitioner in a state like florida or idaho

or others that have abortion band? >> what is happening right now is these states are forcing doctors to deny care that they know how to give. life-saving care. we are hearing the stories now over and over because people are finally coming forward and telling the story. before this, this could have been happening and we didn't know. now we know what is on the line between of the stories of the women that bleeding. we know the women that are infected because they need to end their pregnancy before they can have a delivery. that is what is on the line. it is happening every single day in the united states where abortion is banned. >> in the supreme court begins today, the conservative justices seemed interested in sort of the idea of a fetal personhood. there's constitutional rights, samuel alito questioned the solicitor general about the interests of the unborn child under federal law. i want to play samuel alito talking about how the hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. take a listen. >> the hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. and it seems that the plain meaning is that the hospital must try to eliminate any

immediate threat to the child but performing an abortion is antithetical to that duty. >> first of all, to my mind, there is no child. there is a fetus and that should be clear. what do you hear as a medical practitioner in an emergency room when you hear the justice saying that ? >> he is creating a situation that doesn't exist. there is no saving the fetus without saving the mother. what he is creating is this idea that there is a conflict between the life of the mother and whatever emergency this fetus is having. the only way to save that fetus, to deliver the baby eventually, to have a full, healthy pregnancy is to say that mother. there is no conflict and he's making it up out of whole cloth. >> to the extent that there is, to the extent that there is a conflict or to the extent that there is a situation in which you have to end the pregnancy to perform an abortion to save

the mother's life, that is precisely what is at issue here. my understanding from the arguments today is that the way that idaho state law works and other state laws work now as not preempted is that doctors wait around until there is a certainty of essentially death before they can intervene. >> they admitted today basically that you don't get a light pole. it is not like this is when you connect and this is when you can't. at the end of the day -- >> as a clinical decision, that has to be impossible. >> it is gutwrenching to watch someone bleeding front of you when you know what to do and you can't do it because you are afraid that you will get arrested but be, you will do it and it won't work because it is too late. at the end of the day, it is time to stop interfering, stop letting politicians get in the middle of the emergency department and patient care and just say we want to do our job and save people's lives. >> dr. dara kass, thank you very much, i appreciate it. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner night starts right now. good evening, alex. >> we have a lot of breaking news. thank you, as always. they did it out in the open and they were proud of it. they created this video as they